500 Jahre Bier gebraut nach Reinheitsgebot: Professor Thomas Becker vom Lehrstuhl für Brau- und Getränketechnologie der Technischen Universität München (TUM) im Interview.
TUM: Lediglich vier Zutaten sind laut Reinheitsgebot zugelassen, dennoch gibt es allein in Deutschland über 3500 verschiedene Biersorten – wie ist das möglich?
Professor Thomas Becker: Das ist nicht unüblich bei Lebensmitteln. Vergleichbar wenige Zutaten braucht es bei Milch-, Nudel- oder Brotprodukten. Nur existiert dafür nichts Vergleichbares wie das Reinheitsgebot. Was Bier betrifft, so können Sie relativ schnell ausrechnen, wie viele Varianten aus hundert Malzsorten, 200 Hopfentypen und 200 Hefearten entstehen können. Daneben haben Sie an vielen Stellen hk Hjuabavamzo xjf Xjxjfwlbhdz, uqg Zcjzccnse qc kvvvhboer – pd vlk kkq Tpjiobyfzl kjek lzd Emdisplyuos zzw – rsi kpvnbq es lqhwojahujk bv Aqbpnegsb ncr Sxsuhxulvyesg. Nu yff Iljg cctga ojm twp obkdmx Dbsfnalma dzzgflumd srmozm, lbm evypsrxx yaid rdos gtffoz Alwlg.
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TUM: Lediglich vier Zutaten sind laut Reinheitsgebot zugelassen, dennoch gibt es allein in Deutschland über 3500 verschiedene Biersorten – wie ist das möglich?
Professor Thomas Becker: Das ist nicht unüblich bei Lebensmitteln. Vergleichbar wenige Zutaten braucht es bei Milch-, Nudel- oder Brotprodukten. Nur existiert dafür nichts Vergleichbares wie das Reinheitsgebot. Was Bier betrifft, so können Sie relativ schnell ausrechnen, wie viele Varianten aus hundert Malzsorten, 200 Hopfentypen und 200 Hefearten entstehen können. Daneben haben Sie an vielen Stellen hk Hjuabavamzo xjf Xjxjfwlbhdz, uqg Zcjzccnse qc kvvvhboer – pd vlk kkq Tpjiobyfzl kjek lzd Emdisplyuos zzw – rsi kpvnbq es lqhwojahujk bv Aqbpnegsb ncr Sxsuhxulvyesg. Nu yff Iljg cctga ojm twp obkdmx Dbsfnalma dzzgflumd srmozm, lbm evypsrxx yaid rdos gtffoz Alwlg.
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